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		<title>Comment on The Secret of Reflexive Self Defense by Josh Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A black clad ninja knocks his wife out and says "honey you know you shouldn't sneak up on me like that".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A black clad ninja knocks his wife out and says &#8220;honey you know you shouldn&#8217;t sneak up on me like that&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Secret of Reflexive Self Defense by Steven</title>
		<link>http://realtaiji.com/secret-reflex-self-defense/191#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comment: it provokes thought.

&lt;em&gt;Reflex&lt;/em&gt;, I suppose, sounds on or off. But it's not so: even the knee pounding at the Doc's office has range of intensity. The harder the hammer pops the knee tendon, the more the leg jolts upward. Likewise, the hotter the stove, the quicker the reflexive pull-away.

Sensivity guides the use of the reflex: reflexes start the energy of action, while sensitivity offers direction and guidance to the trajectories of motion. The person who gets burned moves toward cold water, and, though not reflexive, the decision to follow the reflex is an extension that power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comment: it provokes thought.</p>
<p><em>Reflex</em>, I suppose, sounds on or off. But it&#8217;s not so: even the knee pounding at the Doc&#8217;s office has range of intensity. The harder the hammer pops the knee tendon, the more the leg jolts upward. Likewise, the hotter the stove, the quicker the reflexive pull-away.</p>
<p>Sensivity guides the use of the reflex: reflexes start the energy of action, while sensitivity offers direction and guidance to the trajectories of motion. The person who gets burned moves toward cold water, and, though not reflexive, the decision to follow the reflex is an extension that power.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Secret of Reflexive Self Defense by Jason Socci</title>
		<link>http://realtaiji.com/secret-reflex-self-defense/191#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Socci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m struggling with the analogy of the hot stove reflex.  I either have it or I don’t.  I think it might fail as an analogy for me in terms of self defense because of its lack of degrees.  In my mind, it simplifies a complex subject, namely: self defense.  How do we train degrees of reflexive responses?  If I’m pulled into a scuffle with a drunk guy, I don’t want to be popping him in the neck with my elbow.  God forbid I kill him, the courts may not be very merciful and I may have ruined quite a few lives, including my own.  Is this where sensitivity comes into play?  Being sensitive enough to reflexively respond appropriately?  Or do we either avoid all force until it’s do or die?  For me, the stove analogy seems to suggest this.  Sorry if I’m caught too much on the analogy and missing the forest for the trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m struggling with the analogy of the hot stove reflex.  I either have it or I don’t.  I think it might fail as an analogy for me in terms of self defense because of its lack of degrees.  In my mind, it simplifies a complex subject, namely: self defense.  How do we train degrees of reflexive responses?  If I’m pulled into a scuffle with a drunk guy, I don’t want to be popping him in the neck with my elbow.  God forbid I kill him, the courts may not be very merciful and I may have ruined quite a few lives, including my own.  Is this where sensitivity comes into play?  Being sensitive enough to reflexively respond appropriately?  Or do we either avoid all force until it’s do or die?  For me, the stove analogy seems to suggest this.  Sorry if I’m caught too much on the analogy and missing the forest for the trees.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Embarrassing Misconceptions About Tai Chi by Michael Joyce</title>
		<link>http://realtaiji.com/five-misconceptions-about-tai-chi/159#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  I believe this is something that most of us instructors struggle with.  However, we can't keep pointing the blame.  There is always going to be misunderstanding and misinterpretations... because the art IS soo much like life.  Magazines and brochures make Taijiquan sound soo enticing and relaxing, but what they come to realize is that there is "some" work involved in it.  We, as instructors, must simply keep on teaching and keep on learning and steer our students in the right directions.  Because there is only steering, there is no teaching.  One ultimately learns when one realizes for him/herself.  Keep to the present and we'll make it just fine.  Worry about the past,...worry about the future and we've created chaos.  I've just started to introduce more and more subtle buddhist teachings into my lessons.  I've found that when you repeat, repeat, repeat to your students to be mindful of this... this moment... this movement... things flow the way they should flow.  Eventually, their mind and body learns without you having to remind them.  And THAT is progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  I believe this is something that most of us instructors struggle with.  However, we can&#8217;t keep pointing the blame.  There is always going to be misunderstanding and misinterpretations&#8230; because the art IS soo much like life.  Magazines and brochures make Taijiquan sound soo enticing and relaxing, but what they come to realize is that there is &#8220;some&#8221; work involved in it.  We, as instructors, must simply keep on teaching and keep on learning and steer our students in the right directions.  Because there is only steering, there is no teaching.  One ultimately learns when one realizes for him/herself.  Keep to the present and we&#8217;ll make it just fine.  Worry about the past,&#8230;worry about the future and we&#8217;ve created chaos.  I&#8217;ve just started to introduce more and more subtle buddhist teachings into my lessons.  I&#8217;ve found that when you repeat, repeat, repeat to your students to be mindful of this&#8230; this moment&#8230; this movement&#8230; things flow the way they should flow.  Eventually, their mind and body learns without you having to remind them.  And THAT is progress.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Embarrassing Misconceptions About Tai Chi by Steven Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make some distinctions between health and fitness. 

Health for me is more internal and passive; having healthy organs and blood and mental patterns is important. Fitness suggests something more active and external. Doing push-ups or running or swimming competently suggests fitness, to me.

Also, I suppose, fitness is more apparent visually: rippling musculature and toned legs. Health is a more subtle vibrancy: a glow, a bouyant posture.

I like them both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make some distinctions between health and fitness. </p>
<p>Health for me is more internal and passive; having healthy organs and blood and mental patterns is important. Fitness suggests something more active and external. Doing push-ups or running or swimming competently suggests fitness, to me.</p>
<p>Also, I suppose, fitness is more apparent visually: rippling musculature and toned legs. Health is a more subtle vibrancy: a glow, a bouyant posture.</p>
<p>I like them both.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Embarrassing Misconceptions About Tai Chi by Chris &#124; Martial Development</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris &#124; Martial Development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health and fitness are not the same thing, are they?</description>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Embarrassing Misconceptions About Tai Chi by Josh Young</title>
		<link>http://realtaiji.com/five-misconceptions-about-tai-chi/159#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a mistake I said that Chen-wei ming was among those who learned only a form and push hands, that is not true. I mean Cheng Man Ching, Chen Wei Ming was Cheng-fu's senior student, he was with him the longest and was named as the successor by Cheng-fu. While Chen wei-mings training to more than a decade, Cheng man-chings spent less than a year with Cheng-fu and did not recieve instructions on how to teach or countless other aspects of taiji.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a mistake I said that Chen-wei ming was among those who learned only a form and push hands, that is not true. I mean Cheng Man Ching, Chen Wei Ming was Cheng-fu&#8217;s senior student, he was with him the longest and was named as the successor by Cheng-fu. While Chen wei-mings training to more than a decade, Cheng man-chings spent less than a year with Cheng-fu and did not recieve instructions on how to teach or countless other aspects of taiji.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Embarrassing Misconceptions About Tai Chi by Josh Young</title>
		<link>http://realtaiji.com/five-misconceptions-about-tai-chi/159#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it there is the belief that the slow long form makes one fat. Yang Shao-hou, Yang Chien-Hou and Yang Cheng-Fu all had very similar body types, they were all large stocky men who got larger in age, some of us might call them fat. 

This is interesting because Erle learned the Old Luchan form from a man who learned it from Yang Shao-hou. While Cheng-fu's taichi is well known to de different from that of his father and brother, his body was not so different. 

Cheng-fu taught many people forms, and push hands, but that is not taijiquan. He only passed his family system to 4 people, the system is a complete martial art, it contains much more than push hands and the long form. Included in his system is instruction on how to instruct, if a person teaches taijiquan they should teach a system, not just a form. Cheng-fu commented that the form was not taught in his system, rather the 13 postures are. In this way the form was the last thing taught, by teaching the postures one at a time they could be learned correctly, when a person learned them all in sequence they reach a point where they cease being a student and start being someone who practices taijiquan. In the old school the form was for practioners, otherwise it would need revision over and over until it was correct. Cheng-fu mentioned that it is easy to teach a movement but hard to correct a habit. In the Yang family school by teaching one posture at a time no revision of the form needs to take place, thus there is no advanced, intermediate or beginning level in the traditional long form. 

In Cheng-fu's time people wanted the form up front, so he gave it to them, and made some changes as well to make it easier to learn up front. He did not advocate this however and mentions in his works that the form is based on the art, not the otherway around. Dozens of people or more learned a long form and push hands from Cheng-fu, Chen Wei ming was among them, none of these people learned t'aijiquan, when they practice a form they practice a form not taijichuan. 

It is wise to note that the form is a tool for teaching the art of the 13 postures. It is the postures that are key, many people who learned the forms from Cheng-fu did not learn the postures. They do not understand how the art is not based upon a form but the other way around. The form consists of technique, but T'aiji is an art of energies from which techniques are made. With 8 energies able to be combines with each other (8*8=64), and the 5 movements (the 8 energies and 5 movements are the 13 postures) then with only 3 hand weapons the 13 postures gives rise to over 300 movements, if one includes other hand weapons (most systems have around 8), left and right versions, the 8 directions, the three modes of application, without combining them(locks, points, blunt force) and then includes the two intentions of application (debilitating and non-debilitating) then the art of the 13 postures gives rise in application to over 200,000 application combinations. (8*8*8*8*2*3*2) This is teh nature of taijiquan, taichi is the mother of endless things, taijiquan is the fighting system that is the mother or source of endless application. 

Those who do not know the 13 postures, like many Chen Man Ching schools, do not know taijiquan. Taiji is not a form or even a collection of them. It is said to contain no applications or techniques, but gives rise to no end of applciations or techniques. This is the art I mentioned as esoteric and unknown. 

Many people assume that when they do a form they are doing tai chi, if this were true there would be more than a million masters of the art alive today. No amount of form practice will teach one the martial system of the 13 postures, push hands with it is not enough. Like Mr. Smith has said there must be martial practice, among other things, to allow one to learn the 13 postures. Mastering a form is something of the new school of taiji, in the old school the form was mastered one single step at a time. Old method schools are almost non-existant. 

I am very interested in evidence that a form makes one fat or thin. I went to a demo in the successor linneage of the Yangs and no students were fat, or lazy. They were all thin with very strong legs, torso's and arms. Cheng-fu's size related to his genes, just like his large father and brother. Nobody who is out of shape can do the slow long form that Chen Wei-ming recieved from Cheng-fu as part of his system. Real taiji (like WTBA) teaches a teaching method to those who are to become it's future instructors. Learning, even mastering a form does not mean one had learned how to teach it.

Anyway this is what i would like to share about the misconceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it there is the belief that the slow long form makes one fat. Yang Shao-hou, Yang Chien-Hou and Yang Cheng-Fu all had very similar body types, they were all large stocky men who got larger in age, some of us might call them fat. </p>
<p>This is interesting because Erle learned the Old Luchan form from a man who learned it from Yang Shao-hou. While Cheng-fu&#8217;s taichi is well known to de different from that of his father and brother, his body was not so different. </p>
<p>Cheng-fu taught many people forms, and push hands, but that is not taijiquan. He only passed his family system to 4 people, the system is a complete martial art, it contains much more than push hands and the long form. Included in his system is instruction on how to instruct, if a person teaches taijiquan they should teach a system, not just a form. Cheng-fu commented that the form was not taught in his system, rather the 13 postures are. In this way the form was the last thing taught, by teaching the postures one at a time they could be learned correctly, when a person learned them all in sequence they reach a point where they cease being a student and start being someone who practices taijiquan. In the old school the form was for practioners, otherwise it would need revision over and over until it was correct. Cheng-fu mentioned that it is easy to teach a movement but hard to correct a habit. In the Yang family school by teaching one posture at a time no revision of the form needs to take place, thus there is no advanced, intermediate or beginning level in the traditional long form. </p>
<p>In Cheng-fu&#8217;s time people wanted the form up front, so he gave it to them, and made some changes as well to make it easier to learn up front. He did not advocate this however and mentions in his works that the form is based on the art, not the otherway around. Dozens of people or more learned a long form and push hands from Cheng-fu, Chen Wei ming was among them, none of these people learned t&#8217;aijiquan, when they practice a form they practice a form not taijichuan. </p>
<p>It is wise to note that the form is a tool for teaching the art of the 13 postures. It is the postures that are key, many people who learned the forms from Cheng-fu did not learn the postures. They do not understand how the art is not based upon a form but the other way around. The form consists of technique, but T&#8217;aiji is an art of energies from which techniques are made. With 8 energies able to be combines with each other (8*8=64), and the 5 movements (the 8 energies and 5 movements are the 13 postures) then with only 3 hand weapons the 13 postures gives rise to over 300 movements, if one includes other hand weapons (most systems have around 8), left and right versions, the 8 directions, the three modes of application, without combining them(locks, points, blunt force) and then includes the two intentions of application (debilitating and non-debilitating) then the art of the 13 postures gives rise in application to over 200,000 application combinations. (8*8*8*8*2*3*2) This is teh nature of taijiquan, taichi is the mother of endless things, taijiquan is the fighting system that is the mother or source of endless application. </p>
<p>Those who do not know the 13 postures, like many Chen Man Ching schools, do not know taijiquan. Taiji is not a form or even a collection of them. It is said to contain no applications or techniques, but gives rise to no end of applciations or techniques. This is the art I mentioned as esoteric and unknown. </p>
<p>Many people assume that when they do a form they are doing tai chi, if this were true there would be more than a million masters of the art alive today. No amount of form practice will teach one the martial system of the 13 postures, push hands with it is not enough. Like Mr. Smith has said there must be martial practice, among other things, to allow one to learn the 13 postures. Mastering a form is something of the new school of taiji, in the old school the form was mastered one single step at a time. Old method schools are almost non-existant. </p>
<p>I am very interested in evidence that a form makes one fat or thin. I went to a demo in the successor linneage of the Yangs and no students were fat, or lazy. They were all thin with very strong legs, torso&#8217;s and arms. Cheng-fu&#8217;s size related to his genes, just like his large father and brother. Nobody who is out of shape can do the slow long form that Chen Wei-ming recieved from Cheng-fu as part of his system. Real taiji (like WTBA) teaches a teaching method to those who are to become it&#8217;s future instructors. Learning, even mastering a form does not mean one had learned how to teach it.</p>
<p>Anyway this is what i would like to share about the misconceptions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Embarrassing Misconceptions About Tai Chi by Josh Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think another misconception could be added. It is that practicing a tai chi form and practicing tai chi chuan are the same. Tai chi chuan is the system that the forms are from, but the forms do not constitute a system. Many people believe they are practicing tai chi chuan when they are only practicing a form or even a form and push hands, students of any comprehensive system will understand why this isn't true. Often people say they are practicing tai chi and don't even know a form and do various qigong or yoga forms. 
Some misconceptions about tai chi might be linked to people not understanding there is more to real tai chi chuan than a form or two and push hands. A real system has forms and push hands, but forms and push hands don't make a real system. Real systems also have teaching methods, like the WTBA they don't merely ask that someone be able to reproduce some movements and play pushhands. I understand why the term Tai Chi can be embarrassing, the art is still quite esoteric and unknown despite it's name recognition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another misconception could be added. It is that practicing a tai chi form and practicing tai chi chuan are the same. Tai chi chuan is the system that the forms are from, but the forms do not constitute a system. Many people believe they are practicing tai chi chuan when they are only practicing a form or even a form and push hands, students of any comprehensive system will understand why this isn&#8217;t true. Often people say they are practicing tai chi and don&#8217;t even know a form and do various qigong or yoga forms.<br />
Some misconceptions about tai chi might be linked to people not understanding there is more to real tai chi chuan than a form or two and push hands. A real system has forms and push hands, but forms and push hands don&#8217;t make a real system. Real systems also have teaching methods, like the WTBA they don&#8217;t merely ask that someone be able to reproduce some movements and play pushhands. I understand why the term Tai Chi can be embarrassing, the art is still quite esoteric and unknown despite it&#8217;s name recognition.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Small San Sau &#124; Real Taijiquan, Qigong, Baguazhang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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